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326 X. AMERICAN STATE TRIALS.

Frank, ‘‘Tuesday morning?’’ ‘‘I saw him Tuesday morn-
ing’’—he was up there on the fourth floor efter the murder,
on Tuesday, ‘sometime between nine and eleven o’elock.”” I
said, “‘between nine and eleven, somewhere along there!’?
‘Sometime between nine and eleven thirty.”? ‘‘Now, Jim
Conley and Leo M. Frank were both on your floor between
the same hourst?’ ‘I saw Mr. Frank and I saw Jim Conley.”

“You know it because you had a conversation with Mr.
Frank, and you had a conversation with Jim Conley!’ ‘‘Yes,
I saw them both.’? And Conley says—and surely Conley
eouldn’t have been put up to it by these men, even if they had
‘wanted to suborn perjury—that when Frank came up there
Tuesday morning before he was arrested, it was then that he
came to him and leaned over and said ‘Jim, be a good boy,’”
and then Jim, remembering the money and remembering the
wealthy people in Brooklyn and the promises that Frank
made, says, “Yes, I is.”? ”

Tuesday morning, says Mre. Carson, your witness, Jim
Conley and Frank both were on that floor, and Jim was do-
ing exactly what he said he waa doing, sweeping. Now, let’s
see. This old lady was very much interested. ‘‘Now, did
you go on the office floor to see that blood’’—listen at this
“What bloodt’? “The blood right there by the dressing
room!’ ‘What dressing room, what blood are yon talking
about!’’ “She had seen it three or four times all over the fac-
tory. “On the second floor?’? ‘‘No sir,’” she says, “I never
did see that spot.” ‘Never saw it at all??? ‘‘No, I didn’t
care to look at nothing like that.’’ ‘You don’t care to look
at nothing like that?”’ ‘‘No sir, I don’t.’”

Now, that’s Mra. Carson, the mother of Miss Rebecca,
that’s what she told you under oath when she was on the
stand.

Now, let’s see about perjury. Now, mark you, I’m not
getting up here and saying this generally, without putting
my finger on the specifie instances, and I’m not nearly ex-
hausting the reeord—you can follow it up,—but I am just
picking out a few instances, Here’s what Mrs, Small says

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