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seen that blood,—that blood that at first wasn’t blood, it was
paint, and then wasn’t paint but was cat’s blood or blood
from somebody that was injured, and then wasn’t fresh
blood but was stale blood—too many of them had seen it.
*'On Wednesday I had no business back there, I was there
one day but can’t remember.”” ‘What did you go back there
fort’? “A crowd of us went at noon to see if we could seo
any blood spota.”? ‘Were you successful?’? ‘‘No sir.’’
“Who went with you?’? And lo and behold, Mra. Carson,
the mother of Rebecca, had already stated that she didn’t go
about it, the very first person that this Mrs. Small refers to-—
“Well, Mrs, Carson.”’ ‘‘Mra, Carson went with you,’’ I said.
“Yea sir, she saw the places where the blood was said to
be.”? ‘You know she was there, you are pretty sure she was
theref’? Mrs. Small said ‘‘Yes sir.”’ ‘It looked like what?”’
“Looked like powder.’’ ‘How much of it down theret”? “A
small amonnt, just a little, looked like some of the girls had
been powdering their face and spilled powder.’? You know
better than that. I came back to the subject, ‘‘What makes
you say Mrs. Carson went down there with you!’? Answer
-—‘Because curiosity sent us down there.” ‘Did curiosity
send her down there toot’? ‘‘We went back afterwards.””

Now, gentlemen, somebody swore,—and I put it up to you,
too,—somebody committed perjury! ‘‘You were going back
yourself and went to get her?’ “‘Yea sir.’ “She didn’t
make any objection to going down, did she?’? ‘‘No sir.’’
“Don't you know she didr’t go!’’ ‘T imow,”’ she says, ‘that
she did’?

ANl right; if this case ia founded on perjury, it’s the kettle
ealling the pot black, and I haven’t dealt in glittering gen-
eralities, I have set forth specific cases, But that isn’t in-
tended to be exhaustive, that’s a mere summary of a few of
these instances, they are too numerous to mention. The
trath is that there is no phase of this case, where evidence
waa needed to bolster it up that somebody hasn’t come in,
You say, willingly and without pay, because, you say there is

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