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was very thick. I have been to see Mr. Frank once in jail. I
mentioned to him that I saw him that day. Mr. Frank and I were
only business friends. We have had pleasant business transac-
tions and also controversies. I did not go to jail to talk
it over with him. I went there because I had been knowing him
for five or six years and was interested in him, because he was
implicated in the case. We were not personal friends, but have
had a great many business dealings with each other and I naturally
felt an interest in this matter.

MISS REBECCA CARSON, sworn for the defendant:

I work at the National Pencil Co. I have been there over
three years. I work on the fourth floor. I am forelady of
the sorting department. I have from thirteen to fifteen girls
under me. At times I have heard the elevator running when the
machinery in the factory was not running. It makes a notice-
able noise. You can notice the vibration of the building and you
can notice the ropes of the elevator running, and you can hear the
cables of the elevator knocking. On Friday, April 25, I got
my pay about 5:30 from the office. On Saturday I saw Mr. Frank
looking at the parade in front of Rich's between 2:20 and 2:25.
He spoke to me. I saw him again in ten minutes to three going
into Jacobs' Pharmacy at the corner of Whitehall and Alabama St.
I looked at the clock at that time. On Monday morning I said
to Jim Conley, "Where were you Saturday? Were you in the factory?"
He said, "I was so drunk I don't know where I was or what I did."
And Snowball, who was standing there, said, "I can prove where I
was. Also overheard a conversation that he had with my mother
when he said Mr. Frank was just as innocent as an angel; and
when my mother said "The murder will be the negro Mrs. White
saw sitting on a box at the foot of the stairs," Jim dropped his
broom quick and didn't finish

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